Oh, Business Insider. Were you not satisfied with Henry Blodget spewing spew of bonkersness all over the internet? Now you’ve got Aaron Holesgrove in on the act, in an attempt to counter the viewpoint that Windows 8 is a flawed response to iOS.
Ahh John Gruber. He only ever writes long articles when it comes time to defend Apple, doesn’t he?
Man, anyone’d think he’s an Apple pundit or something. Gosh, I wonder whether you’ll start moaning soon that Jason Snell, Editorial Director of Macworld, talks about Macs a lot.
I have strangely found myself liking his content lately and found that he’s been making some good points – and even being *gulp* fair. Then he goes and writes this nonsense.
“Gruber had been saying nice things about Windows Phone now and again, but he’s MADE ME MAD due to not liking Windows 8, the git.”
So, without any further delay, let’s rip his article to shreds.
Yes, let’s!
If not for the existence and success of iOS, Nokia wouldn’t be in trouble (and thus, Elop wouldn’t even be its CEO), HP wouldn’t have bought Palm (and Palm wouldn’t have come up with WebOS), and Windows 8’s innovations wouldn’t primarily revolve around how it looks and works on thin touchscreen tablets.
Yeah John, Apple is the ONLY reason for all of this stuff going on in IT recently. I’m not trying to disagree for the sake of it but I would argue that Apple (and iOS) aren’t the biggest enemy of those three companies; for them, their biggest enemies have been themselves.
Yes, but the point Gruber and everyone else is making is that iOS devices have thrown the lack of innovation in the smartphone industry on to the stage, with its pants around its ankles. Had Apple stayed away from touchscreens, people would probably still be citing the traditional BlackBerry as the pinnacle of smartphone loveliness.
If Apple never released the iPhone, we’d be sitting here today talking about how if it weren’t for Android, those three companies wouldn’t be making all of those same changes or something like that
This being the Android that changed rather dramatically when the iPhone arrived.
For Windows 8 in particular, Microsoft might definitely have some Apple envy but at the end of the day, they would have still designed the same kind of interface for Windows 8 no matter what happened outside of their own walls.
Which explains why Microsoft stuck with Windows Phone 6.x forever, rather than moving on and beating Apple to market with a super touchscreen OS.
Microsoft had to learn the hard way that the shell needed to change far more drastically than it did in order to actually BE touch ‘friendly’ and here we all are today seeing the Metro interface in Windows 8 on a tablet. Keh?
You know that Gruber, Snell and co. were mostly complaining about the ‘shell’ aspect of Windows 8 over traditional Windows, right? As compared to iOS being designed for touch from the ground up? Just checking.
iOS IS built on top of Mac OS X and its core principles. It is common knowledge that it is a modified version of OS X with a touch centric shell on top.
Blurgle? OS X and iOS may share certain core components, but they are not the same—and that’s because of the aim and direction of the devices. Design is as much about what you don’t do as what you do—it’s about saying no. iOS devices therefore are touch-only, forcing companies to design software for a touch interface. Windows 8 doesn’t have such an assumption, meaning we’ll probably get botch jobs: traditional Windows apps with minor concessions to touch—an Embiggen Buttons option, perhaps.
And – don’t forget that Windows 8 tablets aren’t supposed to just be iPad clones, they are being designed to be docked and used like real computers too.
Unlike iPads, which, if you ignore GarageBand, Pages, Numbers, SketchBook Pro, and several hundred other apps, aren’t ‘real computers’ and are only mildly useful for watching YouTube videos.
Win8 tablets aren’t competing with the iPad, they’re competing with iPad + MacBook or iPad + iMac. More on that later.
I can’t wait.
iWork isn’t a ‘beast’, it’s a sexed up equivalent of Google Apps – a competent, entry level productivity application suite. What neither of those applications are, though, is Microsoft Office – say all you want about Microsoft products but Office has no peers, particularly in the enterprise, and has three times the amount of features of anything else. There are no comparisons to be made here.
Holesgrove makes a reasonable point here (SHOCK TWIST), although ignores the fact that iWork is, in fact, pretty powerful these days, and that most people don’t need many of the features Office has, hence Google Apps becoming so astonishingly popular. Anyway…
Now, the deal with iWork for iPad is that it’s a skinny rip-off of iWork for Mac because Apple’s original pitch for the iPad is that it’s a consumption device, not a creation device.
That was Apple’s pitch? Really? I recall that being the pitch of idiot tech pundits who couldn’t see the benefits of the iPad. OH MAN, I AM SO STUPID.
With iWork, Apple are making glorified document viewing programs that have simple editing features.
Or, you know, document creation apps that have enough features for the vast majority of users, rather than lobbing in everything but the kitchen sink, and then a kitchen sink. And then another kitchen sink, JUST TO BE SURE.
In the future, Apple are going to slowly wean people into the idea of using their iPads more and more for creating but we are hardly at that day today.
Eek, yeah, you’re right. *deletes Korg apps* *deletes art apps* *deletes web design apps* *deletes office apps* *deletes iA Writer* PHEW! I AM NOW ONE WITH THE HOLESGROVE!
Microsoft, on the other hand, are looking to make tablets that are full screen computers which you can do anything/everything with – dock them as full computers, do full-screen computing using things other than touch – off screen gestures, voice control, etc. It’s a totally different kettle of fish.
Or a totally different kettle of fish/monkey/sparrow/lizard hybrids. FLY, WINDOWS 8, FLY! But I’ve only got one wing and I weigh as much as a monkey! OH NO!
There is no basis for comparison of the two tablet strategies and neither approach is necessarily wrong yet because we are talking about a new category of computing that is currently a fad
That 30-million-sales fad, eh?
and will evolve into a mainstream category over time – and that will be shaped soley by consumer demand, not by what companies like Apple and Microsoft want us to think
Because consumers always know what’s best.
“The ability to run Mac OS X apps on the iPad, with full access to the file system, peripherals, etc., would make the iPad worse, not better.” (Gruber)
Agreed – but just because that’s true of Mac OS, that doesn’t mean that the logic auto-applies to Windows as well. Mac OS has been through a giant state of flux – Mac apps used to be written in Carbon which was an afterthought in the migration towards 64bit IntelCPU’s and now Apple are becoming more partial towards their own CPU’s and designs. That situation is a mess currently.
Much like that bit of your article.
[T]he iPad succeeds because it enables you to read websites whilst sitting on the toilet and play casual games in bed. It’s a toy. You can’t eliminate complexity when there was never any complexity in the first place – Apple went and threw a 10″ screen on the iPod Touch and iPhone and called them the iPad and iPad 3G, respectively.
In case you’re keeping tabs and still awake, we should at this point remember that:
- A 10-inch screen obviously makes no difference regarding app interfaces to much smaller screens.
- Low complexity is bad.
- People weren’t already using iPhones and iPods for surprisingly complex tasks.
Otherwise Holesgrove’s argument looks a bit silly, and it would be rude of us all to point that out.
[The lack of ‘Mac’ backwards compatibility for iOS] works well for Apple products because basically no one could care less about them up until about five years ago. With Windows it’s different – people would expect Windows tablets to have backwards compatibility with old Windows apps because if it didn’t, they could have just settled for an iPad instead and been one of the trend-setters. Sure some apps in Windows 8 tablets will look ugly but at the end of the day, backwards compatibility with legacy Windows apps isn’t a drawback – it’s a feature, because that’s what the market will demand.
I’m sure everyone will love the usability disaster of trying to use old Windows apps on their touchscreens. I’m sure everyone would hate an iOS-like ‘new Windows tablet thing’ ecosystem that more or less forces loads of creative people making brand-new apps that are far more suitable for touchscreens, rather than not bothering because of a reliance on the old and crusty. And I’m also pretty sure that more than “no-one” cared about Apple before 2006.
Microsoft wants your tablet to be your total solution and just because Apple can’t do it, doesn’t mean that someone else can’t either
Anyone for a second believe that Apple can’t do this? Me neither. It didn’t want to.
Apple are obsessed with pushing this agenda of crippled iPads being acceptable devices because it’s cheap to make devices with 256-512mb of RAM inside of them and there’s a lot of margin to be made in selling this stuff in the $500 range – all the while still managing to convince people that they also need to buy overpriced Mac computers as well and get the 2nd half of what the other device was supposed to do for them in the first place.
In case you’re wondering, Holesgrove isn’t an Apple fan.
The tablet is destined to also become your ‘PC’ and there is nothing that anyone can do about it, including Apple.
Apple’s already done plenty about it, even before the PC-free iOS 5 announcement, but, you know, feel free to ignore that. Oh, you have.